you're getting from your company years down the road will be taxed at 30%, or would you started in china or india where the capital gains tax rate is zero? many of our major partners have zero capital gains tax rates. if you are an entrepreneur or an investment and growth company, you would rather put your money there than in the united states in the future, which is really unfortunate. gerri: okay, let's talk about companies a little bit here. these tax rates are critical to growing companies. >> that's absolutely right. apple and microsoft, for example, benefited early on from highncome individuals pumping and a few hundred thousand dollars to help those companies get started and grow. those high income people could alternively put their money in and say tax-free muni bonds. if we raise the capital gains tax rates, which people are going to say, i'd rather put my money in state muni bonds. i'm not i am not going to fund these risky growth companies, which would be terrible for the overall economy. gerri: i think your best argument is lower capital gains means more jobs. i think that is